Comments on: 6 Reasons for Internal Auditors to Get Familiar with Process Mining http://fluxicon.com/blog/2010/06/6-reasons-for-internal-auditors-to-get-familiar-with-process-mining-2/ Anything goes! Tue, 15 May 2012 07:49:50 +0000 hourly 1 By: Anne http://fluxicon.com/blog/2010/06/6-reasons-for-internal-auditors-to-get-familiar-with-process-mining-2/#comment-284 Anne Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:55:51 +0000 http://fluxicon.com/blog/?p=1148#comment-284 <p>Hi all,</p> <p>I got two great comments offline that I would like to share with you.</p> <p>Comment No. 1) Auditing focuses on three aspects: <ul> <li>design ('soll' --> documents and interviews),</li> <li>effectiveness of controls ('ist' --> I do testaudits for those, others go into the system themselves),</li> <li>effectiveness of controls over a certain period (like over the past 6 months).</li></ul></p> <p>The latter one, over a certain period, is a great benefit for me about process mining. Another great benefit is that process mining is generic, I can use a standardized file from different kinds of systems without knowing all the IT-systems.</p> <p>But what I can't do with process mining is to see the true effectiveness of controls, for this I use testaudits (for example, to see whether it is really impossible to go higher than the maximum that is allowed). In other words: if it didn't happen that doesn't mean that it won't happen!</p> <p>Comment No. 2) Add a magic number 7: 'focus on the real issues'. It may have some overlap with #5, but by incorporating process mining into the internal audit field I think one can really focus on what's goes wrong because in a quick way you will also see what's going right (from a risk perspective).</p> Hi all,

I got two great comments offline that I would like to share with you.

Comment No. 1) Auditing focuses on three aspects:

  • design (‘soll’ –> documents and interviews),
  • effectiveness of controls (‘ist’ –> I do testaudits for those, others go into the system themselves),
  • effectiveness of controls over a certain period (like over the past 6 months).

The latter one, over a certain period, is a great benefit for me about process mining. Another great benefit is that process mining is generic, I can use a standardized file from different kinds of systems without knowing all the IT-systems.

But what I can’t do with process mining is to see the true effectiveness of controls, for this I use testaudits (for example, to see whether it is really impossible to go higher than the maximum that is allowed). In other words: if it didn’t happen that doesn’t mean that it won’t happen!

Comment No. 2) Add a magic number 7: ‘focus on the real issues’. It may have some overlap with #5, but by incorporating process mining into the internal audit field I think one can really focus on what’s goes wrong because in a quick way you will also see what’s going right (from a risk perspective).

]]> By: Anne http://fluxicon.com/blog/2010/06/6-reasons-for-internal-auditors-to-get-familiar-with-process-mining-2/#comment-263 Anne Mon, 07 Jun 2010 04:40:00 +0000 http://fluxicon.com/blog/?p=1148#comment-263 <p>Hi Max,</p> <p>Thanks for your comment and the pointer. I agree that adaptive process management and process mining are a particularly good fit because mining less rigid, unstructured processes is just more interesting than re-discovering fixed, hard-coded workflows. It's not a trivial problem to integrate the two in practice, though. Would be a good topic for a new post.</p> Hi Max,

Thanks for your comment and the pointer. I agree that adaptive process management and process mining are a particularly good fit because mining less rigid, unstructured processes is just more interesting than re-discovering fixed, hard-coded workflows. It’s not a trivial problem to integrate the two in practice, though. Would be a good topic for a new post.

]]> By: Max J. Pucher http://fluxicon.com/blog/2010/06/6-reasons-for-internal-auditors-to-get-familiar-with-process-mining-2/#comment-258 Max J. Pucher Sun, 06 Jun 2010 10:56:29 +0000 http://fluxicon.com/blog/?p=1148#comment-258 <p>Hi Anne, I agree that processes should not just be executed but their history are essential for a business. Therefore I propose that process mining must not be an add-on, but completely integral and mainly used for process improvement. All processes with all details of execution must be archived.</p> <p>I posted on process mining recently: http://isismjpucher.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/adaptive-process-theory-and-reality/</p> Hi Anne, I agree that processes should not just be executed but their history are essential for a business. Therefore I propose that process mining must not be an add-on, but completely integral and mainly used for process improvement. All processes with all details of execution must be archived.

I posted on process mining recently: http://isismjpucher.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/adaptive-process-theory-and-reality/

]]> By: Anne http://fluxicon.com/blog/2010/06/6-reasons-for-internal-auditors-to-get-familiar-with-process-mining-2/#comment-250 Anne Sat, 05 Jun 2010 17:22:56 +0000 http://fluxicon.com/blog/?p=1148#comment-250 <p>Feel free to post also other links and resources on process mining and auditing below in the comments.</p> Feel free to post also other links and resources on process mining and auditing below in the comments.

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