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		<title>By: Pitfalls of Process Mining &#8212; Part 1 &#8212; Flux Capacitor</title>
		<link>http://fluxicon.com/blog/2010/05/7-reasons-for-consultants-to-do-process-mining/#comment-530</link>
		<dc:creator>Pitfalls of Process Mining &#8212; Part 1 &#8212; Flux Capacitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 21:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] challenged me to come up with a list of 7 pitfalls using process mining. To allow for a more detailed discussion, [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] challenged me to come up with a list of 7 pitfalls using process mining. To allow for a more detailed discussion, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://fluxicon.com/blog/2010/05/7-reasons-for-consultants-to-do-process-mining/#comment-283</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Matthijs,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Good point and nice challenge! I added the &#039;7 pitfalls&#039; to my list of future topics and will let you know when I get around to do it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matthijs,</p>

<p>Good point and nice challenge! I added the &#8217;7 pitfalls&#8217; to my list of future topics and will let you know when I get around to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthijs</title>
		<link>http://fluxicon.com/blog/2010/05/7-reasons-for-consultants-to-do-process-mining/#comment-275</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthijs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 15:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Anne,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Great list! I also agree with earlier comments about #4. Politics are always an issue and should not be avoided. I wourld You probably mean that process mining results can bring plain facts in discussions that are mostly about opinions and (personal) interests.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would also like to challenge you to come with a list of 7 pitfalls using process mining.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anne,</p>

<p>Great list! I also agree with earlier comments about #4. Politics are always an issue and should not be avoided. I wourld You probably mean that process mining results can bring plain facts in discussions that are mostly about opinions and (personal) interests.</p>

<p>I would also like to challenge you to come with a list of 7 pitfalls using process mining.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://fluxicon.com/blog/2010/05/7-reasons-for-consultants-to-do-process-mining/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Sukriti,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the input. That&#039;s absolutely right, manual parts of the process will always need to be discovered via interviews (or must be made observable first to be evaluated in an automated way).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sukriti,</p>

<p>Thanks for the input. That&#8217;s absolutely right, manual parts of the process will always need to be discovered via interviews (or must be made observable first to be evaluated in an automated way).</p>
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		<title>By: Sukriti Goel</title>
		<link>http://fluxicon.com/blog/2010/05/7-reasons-for-consultants-to-do-process-mining/#comment-249</link>
		<dc:creator>Sukriti Goel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Anne,
I agree with your points, specially #2. As already pointed out by Wil about #4, you cannot skip the discussion about the process but delay and ask why&#039;s rather than what&#039;s. Moreover the process is not always structured and parts of the process are completely manual and cannot be found out in event logs of the systems. You would have to discuss with stakeholders in order to get the complete process.
Sukriti&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anne,
I agree with your points, specially #2. As already pointed out by Wil about #4, you cannot skip the discussion about the process but delay and ask why&#8217;s rather than what&#8217;s. Moreover the process is not always structured and parts of the process are completely manual and cannot be found out in event logs of the systems. You would have to discuss with stakeholders in order to get the complete process.
Sukriti</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://fluxicon.com/blog/2010/05/7-reasons-for-consultants-to-do-process-mining/#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 13:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Mark,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Good point. In principle, this is also the main argument of this post: That you need to talk to people and that process mining is not meant to avoid but to enhance that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Perhaps mining some relevant process information upfront can be used to prove that there are problems (if any) and in this way convince people to buy in and participate?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>

<p>Good point. In principle, this is also the main argument of this post: That you need to talk to people and that process mining is not meant to avoid but to enhance that.</p>

<p>Perhaps mining some relevant process information upfront can be used to prove that there are problems (if any) and in this way convince people to buy in and participate?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://fluxicon.com/blog/2010/05/7-reasons-for-consultants-to-do-process-mining/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 10:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Anne,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would change point 4. It&#039;s not that you can skip interviews, it just proofs who is lying and who is not. Which is a good outcome in itself. And makes it more efficient (so possibly less nr of interviews needed: but I would not count on that).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It will definitely not replace interviews.
You need buy-in and if nobody is cooperating you need to face this problem rather than avoid it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anne,</p>

<p>I would change point 4. It&#8217;s not that you can skip interviews, it just proofs who is lying and who is not. Which is a good outcome in itself. And makes it more efficient (so possibly less nr of interviews needed: but I would not count on that).</p>

<p>It will definitely not replace interviews.
You need buy-in and if nobody is cooperating you need to face this problem rather than avoid it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://fluxicon.com/blog/2010/05/7-reasons-for-consultants-to-do-process-mining/#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 20:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Wil! I agree, it would be a pity :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Wil! I agree, it would be a pity <img src='http://fluxicon.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Wil van der Aalst</title>
		<link>http://fluxicon.com/blog/2010/05/7-reasons-for-consultants-to-do-process-mining/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>Wil van der Aalst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 21:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Anne,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I like your 7 reasons to do process mining as a consultant. Indeed process mining should be the starting point for better discussions and not to eliminate talking to people. When looking a the photo I wonder what David Brent/Ricky Gervais would do with process mining. It would be a pity if such irrational behavior would disappear in corporate environments :-).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wil.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anne,</p>

<p>I like your 7 reasons to do process mining as a consultant. Indeed process mining should be the starting point for better discussions and not to eliminate talking to people. When looking a the photo I wonder what David Brent/Ricky Gervais would do with process mining. It would be a pity if such irrational behavior would disappear in corporate environments <img src='http://fluxicon.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>

<p>Wil.</p>
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		<title>By: Joos Buijs</title>
		<link>http://fluxicon.com/blog/2010/05/7-reasons-for-consultants-to-do-process-mining/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>Joos Buijs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 06:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Anne,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First of all, you&#039;re right, points 5 and 6 are different. I only remembered the last half of point 5 which can be considered the same as point 6 (proving with hard data). But separating them is a good choice (and 7 is a magic number :P)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Although process discovery is the first and main use of process mining, the other analysis techniques should not be forgotten. 
Furthermore, I don&#039;t see a feasible non-process mining approach for analysis such as performance, social network, etc. Timing each and every action manually for instance is a cumbersome task and is not always possible.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Joos&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anne,</p>

<p>First of all, you&#8217;re right, points 5 and 6 are different. I only remembered the last half of point 5 which can be considered the same as point 6 (proving with hard data). But separating them is a good choice (and 7 is a magic number <img src='http://fluxicon.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>

<p>Although process discovery is the first and main use of process mining, the other analysis techniques should not be forgotten. 
Furthermore, I don&#8217;t see a feasible non-process mining approach for analysis such as performance, social network, etc. Timing each and every action manually for instance is a cumbersome task and is not always possible.</p>

<p>Joos</p>
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